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>> let's hope the students keep reading your book. >> thank you very much. >> thank you for watching. enjoy your weekend. "piers morgan tonight" starts right now. married america's sweetheart and then broke her heart. jesse james, what are you thinking? >> as far as the relationship with sandy, you know, i should have done the honorable thing and i should have left her. >> life, loves, his side of the story. >> i don't belong, you know, trying to think that i'm some fancy because my wife is fancy. that makes me fancy. you know, it's [ bleep ]. >> he says we don't know the real jesse. tonight i'm going to find out. nothing is off limits. sandra bullock, cat van dee and his outlaw life.
would you do the same again? jesse james no holds barred for the hour. this is "piers morgan tonight" prime time exclusive. >> you thought i was going to hit you. love him or hate him, jesse james puts it out there saying his life is an open book and that's exactly what has become in this book entitled "american outlaw." jesse joins me now. jesse, we've met twice. once was on "celebrity apprentice" when i gave you a grilling. >> you thought i was going to hit you. >> i did actually. it's the one time in my recent television career where i thought this is not going to end happily. you kept staring at me with this death stare. i have quite a chilling death stare. >> i'm a pussy cat.
>> the second time we met was a slightly more surreal situation. it was the oscars. i was on the red carpet. you came down. we had a bit of fun about "the apprentice" and you went and got sandra and brought her over. i checked yesterday because i made a note at the time what she said. i really like jesse. you're lucky to have him. she said i wake up every day and i remind myself how lucky i am to have him. and within four days it was all over. the scandal broke. and that was it. i found it sad when i read back the notes i made then. >> i think it was sad, you know. it's funny how quick life can change and things that are closest to you can be gone in the blink of an eye. it's not just me. it's for anyone, you know.
>> you are very honest in the book. commendably so. you don't hide anything. you take all of the criticism firmly on your chin. i suppose the question for me when i read it was if you had your time again, would you do the same thing? >> as far as the infidelity stuff? >> the key thing you talk a lot about the relationship with sandra. you talk a lot about what happened. i'm going to come to that later in the interview, i just wondered when i read it whether you regret that it happened or you regret it being exposed or how do you really feel? >> i think the whole book is hind sight. starting from when i was a kid, i would rather get the football scholarship instead of being in jail when the scouts came around. >> would you? >> yeah. >> these are interesting questions. >> if i could have went back and played football now and still get a college scholarship even
though i never would have turned pro because i was too small, i would do that. you know, i think as far as relationship with sandy, you know, i should have did the honorable thing and i should have left her if i wanted to screw around, i should have, you know, ended it. >> given what your life has ended up now, the question i'm really asking is whether you regret the course of events. forget your behavior for a moment or whether you wish you were faithful and with sandra. how do you honestly feel? >> i wouldn't go back and change things, you know. in a way i'm glad stuff happens. i'm not glad that i hurt her and hurt so many people around her and my family and everybody else. i would never want to put anybody through that again. but i'm a firm believer that things happen in life to teach us a lesson, you know. there's obviously someone that thought i was a strong [ bleep ] to put this kind of adversity on
me, you know and push me to my damn near to my breaking point, you know, and things are, i think, better now. you know, like, there's some sadness there and some regret and guilt and sorrow and every kind of negative emotion you could imagine, but i don't think, you know -- i mean, god, you know, how do you, you know -- if i could go back through my whole life and not make all of the mistakes i would make, sure. yeah. i would be a perfect person. >> i got as far as very early part of the book when i start reading how your father hit you. punched you. we're not talking about just a smacked bottom. >> i probably deserved it. i was a pretty bad kid. >> a proper punch is different, isn't it? >> i think getting punched in the face by my dad, there's a lot of hate there.
that wasn't love. >> horrible. >> it sucked. >> why was he like that? why was he so angry? >> i think it was learned behavior. people are taught everything, you know. i think he probably learned it from someone else or his dad or someone in his family. i don't think that stuff comes out of the blue. you know, i think there was problems with probably substance abuse and stuff like that. you know, i don't really blame him for his actions. my dad, you know, i still love my dad. he's like the white fred sanford. we were buddies when i was growing up. i just think that kids was an afterthought. it wasn't a priority. oh, [ bleep ], i got kids. >> did he ever apologize to you for hitting you? >> no. >> do you think he should? >> no.
i don't think so. i think i'm cool with it. it's made me who i am. made me strong. made me never do that to my kids. >> your big dream was to be a footballer and you had real talent. >> not real football. >> the real one. >> kick ball like you guys play. >> the big guys where you wear padding and helmets. to be serious, this was a big dream of yours. you were talented. reading the book, you drifted into a life of crime. partly, i suspect, because of this abuse you are getting at home. >> i think i was kind of clinging to anything. i cling to the wrong friends and wrong crowd. on the football field, i was a discipline soldier. i would kill for my coaches and do everything perfect, every drill, every practice, everything. i would be the first one there and last one to leave. as soon as football season ended, i didn't have any structure so i would just get in
trouble and steal stuff and get in fights and football was basically my family. that was my family structure and family life. i think that's why i have the work ethic i have and i like team work and leadership and all of that stuff is because of football. >> the crime escalated to the extent that right at a crucial time in your football career really, you end up in jail. you have carried out some form of armed robbery. when you think back to what you were doing then, do you recognize the man that you were then, a young man? >> yeah. i think it was foolish. if i could go back and change any one thing in my life, i would go back and get that scholarship to any of the hundred schools that recruited me. >> do you think going to jail just ruined that? >> totally. i was in jail for 90 days and all of the college scouts showed up to my high school to meet me
the two weeks after the season was over and my coach couldn't lie to them. where's jesse? we want to meet him and see how fast he runs the 40-yard dash and all that stuff and he to they will them i was in jail. >> when you were in jail, what were you thinking? >> it was sad, you know. i think it was -- i felt probably the most alone i ever felt in my life because i didn't really have a lot of family to speak of and i just had the friends i made there and it just -- man, i'm glad i did it. i think it kind of -- >> aside from jail life, you didn't go back into jail, you managed to get out of the cycle when you came out. when you were in there you must have been thinking this is not a life i want to lead. >> i think my senior year in
high school when i missed over 100 days a year and almost didn't graduate because of summer school to get my diploma and then missed out on college scholarships and had to go to a junior college which was a putdown to me because i was such a highly recruited player and then i had to go to, like, a small school like where all the screw ups go kind of said, like, i have to take care of business and not do that again. got to get a job and get responsible. >> how hard was it to get a job when you've done time? not easy, is it? >> well, i was a juvenile and it wasn't really doing time. it was 30 days, 60 days, 90 days. it wasn't really like convict time. you know, i'm not minimizing it, but i don't think when you're 18 or anything like that, people really don't look at a guy that moves furniture for a furniture
store, you're not looking at his record. >> let's take a short break. when we come back, i want to talk to you about this bizarre career move you made into becoming -- i think bizarre from where you've come from to become a rock star bodyguard. [ cellphone vibrates ] before you say anything, it was 1995. [ kenny ] it was '93. kenny, 1995 was the year the song came out. it was '93. that was your 5th year of high school. it was 1995. ha! 10 bucks says it's '93. yeah, well that's 10 bucks you're gonna have to put in my pocket. whatever. "whoomp! there it is" was '93. it was clearly nineteen ninety... kenny, the restaurant's on fire. i'll call you back. wait, wait... [ male announcer ] only at&t's network lets your iphone talk and surf at the same time. [ bell dings ] [ slap! slap! slap! slap! slap! ] [ male announcer ] your favorite foods fighting you?
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my special guest, jesse james. you started doing various odd jobs and then you meet rick ruben, the producer. he takes you under his wing. one of your first jobs is doing security for one of his bands and your specific task is to stop him from smoking crack during performances. >> not during performances. he was recording an album and they had me drive around and follow him and make sure he didn't buy crack from anyone in l.a. for a week. >> the big break, the thing you really loved was motor bikes. tell me how you got into this and realized i can make proper
money at this. >> i never did it about the money. when i was on the road with bands like late '80s and early '90s, i spent most of the time in europe. i started going to every motorcycle shop i could go to all over england and france and germany and scandinavia and i kind of started putting together, like, hey, i want to build motorcycles. when i was off the road, you know, i would work on my bikes. i always had some project going at home and i just kind of -- that's what i loved. i loved building stuff. >> you not only made a living but you got a tv show. you became this huge hit. the downside for you and again you're very honest about this. you got married at this stage. you're pretty devoted to this new business of yours. the marriage falls apart. >> i was married to that shop first and foremost. i was married to west coast choppers for the last 17 years. anything else was secondary, you know.
>> you then get remarried to a porn star who is abusive to you. that's where when i read the book i start to see the seeds perhaps of a lot of the problems that follow you later. you've been punched by your father. you get beaten up by this adult entertainment star/wife of yours. >> i think that's what was going -- i mean, you know, that relationship was going to what i know. the chaos and everything was exactly what i grew up. i'm going to what i'm comfortable with. >> you were drawn to it? >> yeah. that seemed like home to me. soon after that is when sandy walked into my life. it was like the complete opposite. has her own job. stable. well spoken. america's sweetheart. that typical girl next door
compared to something that was chaos. i kind of grabbed it like, wow, that's the kind of person i need to be with. >> when you first got together with sandra, tell me about the early days. where did you meet her? >> i met her at the shop. she brought her godson in to meet me who was a big fan of the shop and "monster garage." >> you're not a likely couple if you don't mind me saying that. your clearly a kind of obviously exactly what you portray in the book. you're a bad boy. bad boy with tattoos. she's america's little sweetheart. you are not a natural fit. >> well, you know, you can't ever pick and choose who you want to be with. when you fall in love with someone and it happens -- >> was it love at first site for you? >> i think it was for me to a certain extent.
i don't know -- i think there was a courtship and we fell in love and it was kind of -- it's pretty well documented. >> that's been how your life has been ever since. >> yes. >> you entered a goldfish bowl when you get together with a movie star, especially one of the biggest movie stars in the world, your life is no longer private. >> i've been like that since i was in junior high school. i've been one of those people that people like to tell stories about and talk about. i'm kind of used to it. >> a magnet for gossip. >> i'm always the guy that everyone wants to fight and i am always the person that people talk smack about. >> when you start going out together, as i say you're an unlikely couple. what was it you think that made it work for so long? what were the things that you had in common? >> i think, you know, definitely the kids and our like interests. i don't know. i really loved her.
you know, i think trying to look back now at what that one thing was that made it work, you know, i can't really name any one thing. i think -- >> when you asked her to marry you after six months, that's quite quick. >> uh-huh. >> you must have been sure then this was the one for you. >> i was pretty sure. >> did any part of you think you have a little devil on your shoulder given everything you have been through before, did you worry that although it all seemed so normal and nice and perfect for you, actually your character, your personality, doesn't allow that kind of thing? >> i don't think i ever had a devil on my shoulder or something like that. i think myself, like, i had no business being in a relationship with anyone. you know, it could have been sandy or anyone and it would have never worked. >> why? >> the problem was with me. it wasn't with them or the relationship or anything.
i never thought highly of myself or never loved myself. i was never comfortable in my own skin. i was still trying to, like, put up this big front of, like, i'm a bad ass bike builder or bodyguard or football player. any of the stuff i've tried to put out there and to try to maintain a relationship with someone when i don't like myself, it was doomed from the start. >> we're going to take a break. when we come back, i want to talk to you about the scandal that broke involving you sandra. to those always searching for what's pure and what's real from we who believe we know just how you feel. haagen-dazs. hey, dad, think i could drive? i'll tell you what -- when we stop to fill it up. ♪
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to my husband, there's no surprise that my work got better when i met you because i never knew what it felt like for someone to have my back to thank you. >> i mean, that's painful to watch for me. i hardly know sandra. i met her once in my life. i think everyone watching it feels for her every time they see it because clearly she doesn't know what's coming. you didn't know what was coming but you knew what you were doing. when you watch that at the golden globes before i saw you at the oscars, what do you think watching that back now? >> it just makes me sad. it's sad that, you know, that
not for myself but for her to put her through what i put her through. >> do you hate yourself for doing that? i think i have forgiven myself for what i have done. >> has she forgiven you? >> i think so. she's in a place of forgiveness and, you know, i mean, it sucks to have these kinds of problems that millions of couples have and everyone has but on such a global level because everything played out, you know, it was like wildfire and it played out in the media in such a horrible way, which, you know, seemed kind of unfair to me at a point. i stood up like a man and took it on the chin. >> are you completely to blame? is the life of being with a big hard working movie star all it's cracked up to be? can it be lonely to be that guy?
>> i don't know -- i think for everything that happened, i'm 100% to blame. i take full accountability for my actions. no one was holding a gun to my head to do what i did. >> i want to read you an extract from the book that you wrote about the moment that you tell sandra. it was very powerful. sandy came in and sat down in the chair. i closed the door after her and sat down myself. we stared at each other and finally i told her the truth. i admitted the affair. i told her the hard details. i let her know i never loved this woman. i never cared for her at all. and sandy asked me why i had done it. i had no answer for her. what do you think when you hear that back? >> it just kind of takes me back to that day. it was sad. it's tough to tell someone you love, it's tough to tell them something when you know when you tell them you'll never see them again. >> you knew that? >> i was pretty sure.
>> did she have any inkling about what had been going on? >> i think there was some suspicions which were right on her part. i think she was, you know, it came out of left field. she wasn't ready for it or anything like that. >> you say in the book you heard a voice in the back of your mind that says get out of this while you still can. >> yeah. i think, you know, i knew it was an internal struggle because i think turning to infidelity or something to, like, either stroke my ego or whatever it was, you know, i don't think it was a decision i made 100% willingly or vindictively or anything like that. it made me feel worse than before it happened.
>> sandra is a pretty private person. how has she been about the book? >> i don't know. i don't really talk to her. >> you haven't talked to her at all? >> nope. >> it's really nothing? >> nothing. >> when was the last time you spoke with her? >> several months ago. >> how do you know she's forgiven you? >> she told me before that she forgives me. >> do you think she understands you perhaps better than other people do? >> i think so. i think -- i don't know about other people. there's probably people i'm closer to now than i ever was to her. >> your current partner? >> i think so. >> that's interesting. why do you think that is? >> i think -- >> have you changed? >> i think so. i think i was willing to do the hard work and take a look at the stuff i never wanted to look at or stuff i wanted to ignore. stuff i talk about in the book
and with kat that i have a partner that we're connected on a higher level. >> on a superficial level, i look at her, kat, and i look at you, and i see a perfect fit. she's covered in tattoos. she's a rocker chick. you bike your bikes. i get that. given your previous partners and kat now, it seems like a weird time in your life that was never going to work. >> that's a question to ask. was it just my ego. was it me trying to be a big shot. i'm jesse james. i'm a bad [ bleep ] and i can have a movie star for a wife. >> was it that? >> you know, i think a lot of that was my ego. it was my ego why i hurt her and why i didn't leave the relationship when i should have because my ego said, well, i need this wife so i'm cool or people like me or whatever,
which is the bad recipe for anything. i think you should follow your heart and what's really right for you and meeting someone like kat, not meeting her, we were friends for a long time and friends and mutual respect and it just -- i think that maybe that was the problem. i don't think sandy and i were ever really friends. we went right into a relationship and then marriage and then right into that and never really friends and, you know, kat and i seem to be connected on such a higher level. we have such a deeper understanding of each other and outlook on the world and stuff like that and she's a bad ass too. you think i'm bad and i'll brow beat you, you should interview her. she'll scare the hell out of you. >> when you marry a movie star and it goes wrong, the last place you want to be is
hollywood because suddenly you were in that world and then bang. you're the bad guy everybody hates. >> yeah. hey, the first press statement i said that i deserve everything bad that's coming my way and i stand behind that. this book is coming out this week. people will take another opportunity to say all kinds of bad stuff and make up stories and whatever. let them. i don't really care anymore. if people -- i can be the villain and she'll always be america's sweetheart. >> we'll take another short break. when we come back, i want to talk about the worst time for you when you hit rock bottom and how you came back from that. hey susie, why don't you use this ? it's got a calculator. thanks, dad. this is the neighborhood. you get elm street and you get main street.
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at its absolute worse, what are you going through? >> well, i think the stuff is just trying to protect the kids. i'm a dad first and foremost and trying to protect the kids from anything, you know, like women reporters waiting outside my house so they can -- right in front of my 6-year-old daughter asking me if i'm a nazi and asking me how many whores i've been with and stuff like that in front of my kids. with freedom of speech, i can't really stop them. it just was bad. i think i started -- you know, my initial reaction would be to just, you know, let them have it. not the women but some of the more aggressive male paparazzi. one of the guys that sat out in front of my house for months was the guy that mike tyson knocked out and the guy is just, like, relentless.
just saying -- they are trying to get me to hit them. that's those guys' dream for me to attack them. >> it is chicken and egg. if you haven't given them the juicy bone to gnaw on, they wouldn't be there. >> i totally get that. day in and day out for six months or four months or whatever and there's nowhere to hide. i go from my house, take the kids to school and go to the shop. that's the three places i go for months. they're waiting at all three places. >> when you go down to the newsstand and saw endless magazine covers -- >> i never went to the newsstand. >> you were not the most popular guy in america. a lot of people particularly women hated you for what you had done as you say to america's sweetheart. >> yeah. i think those people barely
liked me any way. >> do you care now what they think? >> i couldn't care less. really honestly i couldn't care less what anybody thinks. some of the stuff they said like calling me a nazi and stuff like that, which is, like, you know, it was just so outlandish. >> they called you that because you wore nazi memorabilia. >> so did the prince of your country. >> true. he did. >> is he a nazi? >> i don't believe he is. >> neither am i. >> why did you -- >> i have jewish relatives. i've been to israel. i would never sympathize with anybody that is persecuted and nazis were pure evil. >> why pose like that? >> it was a joke. it was obviously done at my house. it was done a decade ago. think whatever magazine ran that, they made it sound like it was taken that week.
the way they worded the article and that stuff. it's a business. they paid $200,000 for that shot. >> you don't collect any nazi memorabilia? >> i collect german cars like world war ii era volkswagens is what i collect and i've collected them since i've been in high school, you know. >> you think that some people might put that together with picture and get the wrong idea about you? >> i think if you wanted to point to anything and find some kind of racism or anti-semitism or anything, if you really looked at it long enough, you could build up whatever scenario you have. do the math. i grew up and was born in south central l.a. and i grew up in an all black and all hispanic neighborhood. i was discriminated against. i grew up against bigots and racists and told myself that i would never, ever be that way no matter what. >> if sandra is watching this,
which she might well be, how would you feel towards her listening to the way that you talked about her? >> i talked about her or -- >> yeah. you've been pretty frank. >> there is still a level of respect for her. i wouldn't say anything ever desparaging. it's a fine line between me promoting a book that's my life story and not hurting feelings that i already hurt enough. i don't want to hurt her anymore. i don't want, you know, her family and anybody in my family or anybody else to go through any pain anymore, but i wanted to tell my story, you know. i'm not going to hide. i think i have a pretty viable tv career. i'm good at what i do. i'm going to continue to do it. i made mistakes and it's up to me to move past it. >> another break and when we
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was. does that make me bad person? it's the real deal. >> that was jesse james in "monster garage" back with me now. >> what was it? >> garage. >> garage. >> garage. really. that's what you call them here? >> i think that's the first time i heard it called that. >> tell me about the people you admire most in this and that's the children involved. start with the baby that you adopted with sandra. that seems a particularly difficult situation to try to deal with now. >> well, i don't think so much now because i've kind of come to grips with the reality of it and the situation that i can't
control so, you know, once i did that it kind of, you know, became less painful. >> are you allowed to see the child? >> i've never saw him. >> since you left? >> yep. >> how long has that been now? >> it's been a year. >> that must be hurtful, isn't it? >> well, i think it will always be a source of pain. i hope some day when he grows up that he knows that, you know, he had a good dad or still has one if the opportunity to be part of his life ever presents itself of course i'll step up and -- >> have you tried to get access? >> yes. >> it's been denied to you? >> yes. >> on what grounds? >> i don't know if grounds were given. just, you know, you know, if anything i think it's taught me i have to appreciate the three kids that i do have.
>> they in turn presumably don't see sandra and that must be hurtful and difficult for them. >> they don't see their little brother too. >> it's a horrible situation. >> i think any marriage that ends and kids are involved or some kind of trauma or whatever, infidelity or whatever, this is real life in america or in the world playing itself out. there's always going to be people that are hurt and it's the byproduct of poor decisions and bad actions. you know, i've kind of done my best to corral the situation and make sure my kids are happy and healthy and well cared for and took good care of in the best possible way and have a dad present every single day. >> do they ask you why they can't see their little brother? >> they do. there's questions. it's been the hardest for sonny
because, you know, sandy was sonny's mom more than her real mom and i'm left in the middle to explain. i think the older kids understand the situation and understand that's the definition of divorce. gone. splitting. separation. >> the finality of the picture that you're painting suggests that sandra -- you may hope she's forgiven you but certainly nothing in this suggests that she wants much to do with you. it's hard to imagine when you watch the golden globes clip and look back at the oscars that was greatest time in her career and it was taken away and she was exposed to relentless humiliation and nothing worse for a woman than to do it in the public glare and if you put herself in her shoes. >> it's no different than normal housewife that gets cheated on
that gets in the public glare of her three block radius because that's what her life means. i think it's all in perspective. and, you know, i know i did bad stuff so i'm fully accountable for that. >> we're going to take a final break. when we come back, we'll talk to you about the "celebrity apprentice" where we first met and the new love of your life. >> cool. [ male announcer ] your favorite foods fighting you? fight back fast with tums. calcium rich tums goes to work in seconds. nothing works faster. ♪ tum tum tum tum tums hey, dad, think i could drive? i'll tell you what -- when we stop to fill it up. ♪
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i will say that, that piers couldn't figure you out. piers didn't like the fact that you could have raised a lot of money and you didn't. so jesse, you're fired. great job. >> you take pride in that, don't you? >> i kind of thought you deserved it. >> that's only the second job i've ever been fired from. the first one was for punching a customer. >> i admired your -- i admired what you were saying in the sense that you were entering independently, and didn't want to rely on sandra's money. had i known what i know now, i would have been less keen to see sandra's money heading your way for the show. but at the time -- >> you hollywood people and your
perception of, hey, let's get free money from movie people. that's not the real world. the real world is people work their asses off for 50 hours a week and get a paycheck. that's how the real world is. >> you weren't in the real world, you were in fantasy world. you were married to a movie star making $20 million. >> but i'm still working at my shop like a dog. >> you could have won "the apprentice" had you raised more money. >> yeah, but i don't know. that's the easy way, looking for a handout. >> your new lady, cat von dee, do you get free bees from her? >> i get 50% off. >> you like your tattoos, don't you? >> i like it. it's like doodling. i see myself without tattoos and it looks like a color book that
wasn't colored in. i hate it. >> tell me about her. you've already discussed why you're better suited to her. are you engaged? >> yes. >> are you married? because you have a ring on. >> she had me a ring made, but we're not married yet. >> you're a brave man. this is number four, right? >> yep. i've been married for like 20 years if you add them all together. >> are you an incurable romantic? >> i'm not a quitter. i still believe in love and romance and she's just awesome. i think me wanting to get married a fourth time isn't about me, it's about how amazing that woman is. >> do you believe you may have found true love? >> i think so. i've never felt the way i do, you know, for anyone the way i feel for her. i've never had that feeling, and i've never had someone like have my back 100%, you know, and
stick by me when everyone turned their back. and she says [ bleep ] it, i'm your friend and i stand by you, i don't care what anybody says. i think that's the definition of like what, you know, people that care about each other should be -- >> we heard a clip earlier from sandra saying exactly that, she felt that was what you were to her. she said you were her rock. >> yeah, but, you know, she said that same speech at four different award shows. you saw two of them. so -- >> what's your point? >> i don't know. you can take out whatever you get out of it. >> you don't think she meant it? >> i think she meant it to a certain extent. you know, what does she do for a living? >> movie star. an actor. >> okay, cool. >> you think it was an act?
>> i think, you know, people have to live in that world. >> are you glad to be out of it? >> oh, man, 100%. i just can't, like, i can't -- you know, i don't know. i don't know how i survived in there as long as i did, because it's just like -- i mean, you're cool, but the rest of those people, i just can't hang with them. i don't know. it's not -- >> are they all pretty fake, is that what you're saying? >> it's just pretend, it's not real. i'm like the guy that goes to a shop and i don't hang out in the office, i go to the back of the shop and hang out with the guys that are greasy and dirty. that's where i belong. it's more about myself and where i belong in this world. and i don't belong, you know, trying to think that i'm some fancy, you know, because my wife is fancy, that makes me fancy. it's bull [ bleep ]. >> and yet that's kind of why you went into the relationship.
>> i think so. it was a lot of ego and a lot of like perception of what i thought i should have, not what i needed. and i think it was more of a testament of what i felt about myself. >> do you think you're capable now of being faithful? >> i think so. you know, i think it's something that's like a conscious day-to-day, you know, thought process, and i think i'm vocal with cat that if i don't get something that i'm needing or some kind of affection or whatever and vice versa, both of us are committed to work on our relationship together and make sure we're 100% what each of us want for each other. i've never had a partner that did that. it's always been either my way or the highway or, you know, something like that. and man, she's like, you know, she's committed to like being everything that i want her to be and same here. i love her like crazy.
it's like, people i think on their tv show, they only get to see a small little portion of how great she is, but she's amazing. >> jesse, i wish you luck. >> thanks, piers. >> i hope we don't have to meet in a couple of years and discover another terrible scandal cascading on your head. >> no, i think i'm done with that. >> thank you. monday night, donnie and marie osmond. donnie's special rendition of the song that's tormented both of us for years. what i really want to hear, this is just for me, i just want to hear one more time the song -- >> that wasn't our song. >> i want a little bit of "puppy love." the song that you've loved and hated all your life, now i want a bit of "puppy love." >> i'm going to undo my microphone. >> what are you doing?